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interracial twins


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How precious!!!! They are BEAUTIFUL!
What an incredibly beautiful family.

Still...I didn't like the article. Calling one the "white" baby and one the "black" baby....looking white doesn't make you white, looking black doesn't make you black. And the "black" baby doesn't look and "blacker" than her mixed-race parents, so why isn't she called the "mixed" baby? Funny how her parents both have dark hair and dark eyes, but get called mixed because they don't have a pale twin to compare to. And what if the "white" baby's hair turns dark when she grows up? Does that make her less white, is that the "black" showing through?

This all bugs me. Ethnicity is not based on what fucking skin color you are. Danielle is paler than me, but that doesn't mean I'm more black than she is, jesus.
Yeah, the article seemed rather poorly-written to me too. I think if they had substituted 'pale-skinned' for 'white' and 'dark-skinned' for 'black', it would have made a lot more sense. Because they still do have very similar genetic material, so they obviously can't be of different races. ('race' is a ridiculous concept, anyway, biologically speaking -- it's culture, not blood, that makes a race)

I think they were going for the shock factor, as all media does, and thus using the more emotionally-charged words. 'Forget the facts, it's the IMPACT that sells!'
Because they still do have very similar genetic material, so they obviously can't be of different races. ('race' is a ridiculous concept, anyway, biologically speaking -- it's culture, not blood, that makes a race)

I have to disagree with you on that one. I think race is a silly concept to really consider, but I also think that the biological aspect is just as important as the cultural aspect in typing someone as a specific race.

I haven't read the article yet, but I shall. Something about this occurence just seems off kilter to me.

Actually, sociologically speaking, humanity cannot be divided into "races." The differences required to classify a particular race are such that in attempts to divide the "races," sociologists got into the three-hundreds when they realized it's just not really possible.

"Race" is a fancy word people use for "color" or "ethnicity," depending on how they're trying to use it (and both uses are incorrect - just like "gender" doesn't actually mean a person's sex, but rather their masculinity or femininity - which means a physical male's "gender" can be feminine and vice versa). Here, they're using it for both, which is why it doesn't work. They're saying, "Look, the baby's dark, so it's a different ethnicity!" which just isn't true. Skin tone is based on the blending of genes, just like hair color and eye color and a shitload of other features. Ethnicity is in a person's blood, it is based on percentages and ancestry and is in no way connected to how a person looks. That article is a load of crap, and it was used for shock value - but really, a headline of "Twins - one black, one white" and then an article that explained the truth would have worked just fine...the headline would grab readers, and then the article wouldn't fucking misinform them like this....
Your comment is cut off when I looked at it on the main comment page.

But, anyway, sociologically speaking, yes, you are right.

The way I was taught race in biology was that it was the same as breed--a group of individuals whose physical characteristics are more similar to eachother than individuals of another group even though all are of the same larger group--like Holsteins are Holsteins and Beefalo are Beefalo but Holsteins and Beefalo are all cows.

I wasn't disagreeing with Bel in the fact that the concept of race is foolish; I disagreed with the idea that it is wholly defined by culture.

Ethnicity is in a person's blood, it is based on percentages and ancestry and is in no way connected to how a person looks.

I am going to disagree with this statement. The way the person looks is directly related to their ancestry-where else would a woman get the genes that cause her to look the way she does? I think that statement was just contradictory to itself in a way.

I haven't read the article yet. I have no doubt that it will be misleading, but I think I'll probably find it misleading in a way different than you find it. I'm really not fond of journalism, especially in recent years. I think it has become incredibly too opinionated and full of misconception--all for the purpose of selling. I complain often about the stupidity of the public, but I must remember who fuels that stupidity.

Ethnicity is in a person's blood, it is based on percentages and ancestry and is in no way connected to how a person looks.

Okay, that came off a little wrong...yes, it causes a person's appearance, but it doesn't work backwards - ie, a person's ethnicity determines their appearance, but their appearance doesn't determine their ethnicity.

And I do agree that it's not wholly defined by culture, but there's this gray area that most people are (sadly) fucking stupidly blind to. Like, "black" is not a "race" when the word "race" is used as "ethnicity" - this is where culture comes in, because a Kenyan is of a different ethnicity than a Rwandan. But they're both "black." Or, to put it in ethnicities that people are more willing to admit differences on, a German is not of the same ethnicity as an Italian, though both are "white."

I'm part Sicilian, and my husband is part mainland Italian (both of us of proportionally large percentages). If I had twins, and one came out looking extremely Italian, while the other inherited his/her father's Polish appearance and my German appearance and was all blond-and-blue-eyed, absolutely no one would say they were of different ethnicities, they'd just say they look different, because they're still white. It's really some racist bullshit when you get down to it...and not everything in the world is so fucking black/white.

(By the way, I'm seriously not ranting off on you, just this damn racist crap...that article is so poorly written, and displays a lot of color-bias.)
I understand where you are coming from now. ^_^
Ugh, and by the way, SCREAM LOUDER ABOUT THE COMMENT CUT-OFF because it's driving me nuts, and [livejournal.com profile] aubkabob noticed it too, but Bel swears it isn't happening in her browser!

*going insane from having to paste every comment into Notepad to be able to read it!*

/GIANT HINT :-P
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COMMENT CUT OFF! I always thought it was just me.
BAH TO ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!! It works in FIREFOX!!! *cries* I will try to fix it...
I'm using Firefox. BAH HUMBUG. :P
fixed it. (though the problem didn't show up in MY version of firefox, but I saw it in IE -- maybe you haven't installed the latest firefox updates?) And while I was at it, I changed the bit of code that had IE confused, so now my entry text doesn't look centered in every post. So the less-educated internet users can still see it correctly. ;-D
Yeah, they are little darlings. I'd love to see their DNA chart though. I don't know how to interpret them very well anymore (not that I really ever could) but it'd be cool.
I bet it would. I loved biology... except for the dead animals part.
The world is amazing.
it is. ♥
my niece & nephew are fraternal twins & makaela is much more fair than kaleb... i'll post pictures as soon as i have any digital ones; you will like ;-)
oh cool! I can't wait to see 'em!
This is a truly beautiful sight. And those babies are gorgeous. This for some reason gives me a euphoric feeling, and i dont know why. Possibly because I'm biracial as well lol. I dunno why
oh that's awesome. ;-)
I've noticed it too and it pisses me off as well. :)
the comments thing? I think I have it fixed -- can you tell me if it is still a problem for you?
I saw them on Good Morning America the other day. They're absolutely PRECIOUS. They said the odds of this happening were one in a million.
awww. God is pretty awesome.
I missed this until just this morning when I was looking back on my friends page.

It makes me giddy.
I know, I just love it!
wow, that's on rarity amazing story, right there!
how absurd but amazing.
*_* what a great family of diversity too!
You know, out of ALL of this what I find the most interesting is the name chosen for one girl being "Kian" ... Kian is an ethnically Iranian name that comes from "Kayan" and is rooted in an old Persian Kingdom.. it means "king" if I remember correctly. I don't know, perhaps with a different pronunciation it is a name from another language.. anyway.. I'm glad I guess that stuff like this is seen as good? Then again, it makes me happy to have been raised in a Baha'i community where stuff like this is pretty normal.
*confused look* What exactly is considered normal? 'cause twins looking that different is like a 1 in a million chance.
Que lindo...!!!How cute...!

Who are they???

Nice photo!!
I don't know, I just saw the news article!
Awwww, they are too cute. Just wait till they get to school and people are like " you're not really sisterts!' And they say " Actually, we're twins!"

This has happened at least once before, I saw an article about it happening once in Englands in I guess the forties or something. In that case the mother was white and the dad black.
So awesome. They'll confuse people and maybe crack some mindsets. ;-)
It's still a problem for me. Your comment stops at the "y" in "Can you tell me if it's still a problem for y"

Heh.
dammit!!!!!!!!
it's nearly impossible to fix since I have no way of checking to see if my modifications work! (since it already works fine in my browser!)
It seems to get incrementally worse the longer the comment-run goes. If it's just a single comment, it seems to only cut off a letter or two at the end of all the lines in the comment.

WHen you reply, your reply shows up indented, so it cuts off more letters.

When many people reply and there's a lot of indenting, sometimes all you can see is just a few words and there are huge gaps so it makes their second and third lines almost impossible to understand.

I don't know how to fix it, either?
For example:
This is how the comments show up on my screen.

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Re: For example:
is it still that way right now?
Re: For example:
No, it's actually not. You seem to have fixed it with the new word wrapping thing. It looks great!

Hooray for you!!
Re: For example:
YAY!!!!! The Queen of Code strikes again! *giggle*
You're my hero.
Tell you what - You come over here and teach me some basic coding and I'll shoot all the pro style shots you want done of yourself. Pouty expressions or whatever you like. It'd be an honor to have my work displayed on your page. :)
Re: You're my hero.
I'd like that. ;-D I don't know if you got my response to your comment the first time you suggested we spend a day together, but I would LOVE that. really! Do you want to do it before or after you move? I think it would be so fun!

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