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Expect to find curse words, nudity, (occasionally explicit) talk of sex, and angry ranting, but NEVER slurs or sexually violent language. I use TW when I am aware of the need and on request.

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abuse can build a chasm it is impossible to cross
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Content note: contains specific examples of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse between my parents.

My dad was in town this week and reminded me that the last time he was in town, I asked him if he had "an exit strategy" with regards to my mom. I said "yeah, I think you shouldn't be together." Later he mentioned it two more times and I realized that this had made an impact. I feel oddly vindicated that during this conversation my dad said he hadn't been happy for 25 years. I did the math and realized 25 years ago was the first time I started telling my parents to get a divorce.

He told me several stories I'd heard before: how she flew into a rage, beat him with her fist, and left him with over a dozen bruises. How she punched him in the face and gave him a black eye. How she broke down his bedroom door when he locked it to keep her out (in a house she didn't even live in).

But I was raised in a house of hitting, yelling, and breaking things, so that doesn't horrify me as much as the emotional abuse. She makes him account for every waking minute: what time did you leave work, where did you go after, etc. She will not let him leave an argument: she will chase him down and yell at him continuously. He doesn't keep a journal anymore because she broke into it and weaponized it against him. He has elaborate rules for being around women (or people he thinks are women) because she will torment him if she thinks he is interested in someone, and she is not rational about it: she made him change the way he hugs his sister because they used to hug chest to chest and my mom found that too erotic.

I said these things are abuse, and he said he knows. I asked why he has not left and he said "because it would ruin us" (meaning financially). But he keeps talking about wanting to own his own business, and he casually talks about retiring and going back to school and putting my brother through school. Those are not things a broke person discusses without even mentioning money.

I said "I think instead of daydreaming about owning a business, you should daydream about getting a divorce." And I asked how he thinks he's going to be able to get any satisfaction in life when he is enduring this daily abuse. He said that he hopes to outlive her. He thinks it is impossible to leave.

I told him that even when he was happy with their relationship, it wasn't good because they have never understood each other. He's autistic, and she's not, nor does she accept that his mind works differently from hers. She has always wanted him to give her all his attention whenever she's around, which to me sounds like torture since they live together.

I tried to illustrate how much better it could be by explaining that my partner and I understand each other and are independent, and we make no demands on each other's attention. Instead, we send requests through texts when we are both home, so that we don't interrupt each other or prevent each other from having the down time we need. We respect each other's needs. As usual when I say something about how much better it could be, he was silent.

People talk about abuse like it is easy to separate the abuser and the abused, but my parents abuse each other. When I was a child, my dad would sexually assault my mom as a "joke" (pinch her nipples when she didn't want it and said no, then laugh at her being upset) and I'm pretty sure he did worse behind closed doors. He would break her favorite dishes as a symbolic physical attack. He controlled all her relationships and got mad every time she wanted to spend time with someone other than him. He says cutting, demeaning things to her. When she got drugged and raped during a time when they were separated he blamed her and refused to believe it was rape for years.

They have both damaged each other so much that I am sure it is impossible for them to ever be anything but abusers to each other. As soon as you deliberately try to hurt your partner, trust is broken. When that happens over and over, it builds an ever-increasing chasm that at some point, you don't have enough years of life left to cross.

They're both in their 60s at this point and have been hurting each other on purpose for at least 15 years (before which, they hurt each other plenty but mostly on accident). They might have enough life left but I doubt it, because they'd both have to stop their attacks on each other immediately and completely. At this point they are both too scared of being alone to take the time apart they would need to break their habits of attacking each other.

So I keep pushing for them to break up, like I have for the past 25 years.
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God what a thing. Yeah, that's some horrifying abuse back and forth, and I agree they should (and should've a long time ago) get divorced. I'm glad you're brave enough to keep telling him how you recognize the abuse and that they need to separate. What an unhealthy, abusive relationship they have.
It is dreadful.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment *hearts*
That is very sad, for both of them, no one should have to live through any of that. Not grow up in that kind of environment.
Thank you
How sad and tragic life can be...Jesus...my mind has closed down...wow...
Sorry to cause distress! Is there something else I should have added to the content warning?
I lack words to articulate what is like to know what might help someone you care for, but be unable get them to so much as try. Especially in horrible situations such as this your family's. *hugs*

...do they even acknowledge your opinion as valid and worth listening to? Looks like your dad might, a little.


My mother sort of does, but more than anything, she wants things in our family to be better, yet does note care to do the work required to make them better.

My father does not acknowledge my opinion at all in most cases. So for now I put trying to change anything on hold. I just-lack the wisdom I need to do so. (And trying and getting nowhere hurts almost too much.)
I'm honestly not sure if my dad is listening or not. I have been telling him this for so long that I suspect not.
A sobering portrait of a poison family dynamic. I hope that eventually, he will listen to you.
Me too! Thank you
Wow! Waiting to outlive a spouse is a loooong time. Hugs...
It really is!
Wow, that really sucks. My grandparents were like that - separate bedrooms for over 40 years. You have my sympathies.
Thank you
What a nightmare of a relationship, and awful to have to witness let alone live. :(
A nightmare is a very apt description!
You have described very well this horrible catch 22 situation... I'm lost for words and yet wish for some light to enter this situation and resolve it.
This was hard to read, mostly because of the few similarities in my own life. It's a very difficult situation, but I agree with you - once you deliberately hurt your partner, then that trust is gone. Very difficult to come back from that.
Yeah. Yeah that's not healthy. Not on either side.

What a tragic, painful relationship. I can't imagine what it would be like to grow up with that. I can see why you think your parents should get a divorce --such cruelty and misery.
What a horrible way to live. And to have lived that way for so long. It's good to hear that you didn't follow in their footsteps and know that you want the exact opposite for yourself and your partner. Lots of times that cycle of abuse carries on through the next generation. I hope they take your advice soon!
It's so sad when people with these issues and abuse stay together :( Plus, hard on you to have to repeatedly suggest they divorce. *hugs* I hope they find a way through the money issues and just break free.
Wow. Fear, stubbornness, and sometimes a weird sense of shame/belief that they deserve this kind of treatment could be at play for both of them. Maybe your dad thinks this is what he gets because of his earlier behavior. Maybe your mom thinks this is what she gets to do now, because of how she had been treated. Jeez god, though, it'd depressing they can't see it, that divorce would be a healthy solution for them both.

I'm sorry you've had to live with this as your primary relationship example. Yikes. Sounds like you're doing much better than they ever did.

I do hope they get divorced. Good luck dealing with them. wow.
This is heartbreaking.
Sadly, I don't think they could live apart any better than they can together at this point.
A very difficult read. It sounds as though you have broken this terrible mold in your own life and relationships and that's an impressive achievement.
I hope they listen to you and that they can eventually find some way to enjoy the years they have left.
After my father had an affair, I watched how upset my mother was and, while he was in prison, how much happier she seemed. That's when I started feeling like they should get a divorce; I was eight. As I've gotten older, I definitely see my mother as less than an innocent bystander as, with both children having moved away and neither parent working anymore, they've settled into an unhealthy co-dependency. When they last visited, they got into an explosive argument at the park and my mother threatened divorce and my father got angry at me because the idea of them getting a divorce didn't bother me, especially considering I don't live with them anymore.

My apologies for not commenting before voting was over, but I did vote on time! :)

-Tia

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